poet ● novelist ● arts collaborator ● teacher
Talking by torchlight
...in the Dark Sky Park
Your questions, Philip's answers (see some examples below) — about poetry, science and the world around us.
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'What initially inspired you to write poetry?'
First, hearing it spoken out loud…
... just for the glorious sound and rhythm of the words, whether I quite understood them or not.
Then, finding some of the lines still echoing in my head days later...
... which left me wondering: how do you make words do that – some kind of magic?
Then, reading the words on the page…
… and discovering more meanings in them each time I read them again, as if they kept on growing, but without getting any longer – very strange!
At last, thinking: maybe I could play that game too? Sitting down in the corner very quietly, with nobody looking, and having a go...
... discovering that I could think new thoughts, imagine more things, and notice more about the world around me, when I started to write.
And after that, I couldn't stop.
'Why do you think poetry is important?'
In a noisy world, full of people trying to sell us things or tell us their opinions, we need a quiet place inside ourselves where we can let it all settle, and find out what we really feel or think. Poetry can be a door that opens into that place. And yes, it's one we can share with our friends.
For a genuinely awe-inspiring on-screen graphic, and your personal dive into the deepest oceans - to encounter some of the creatures of the extremes that we meet in Dark Sky Park - click on this: https://neal.fun/deep-sea/?fbclid=IwAR34ABToX4410-yBm3JtPGQfoFraqzIOuUN_UmgSVYSdLS5H8RrCjOeet9Q
Look! The tiny creatures who are the real heroes of my Dark Sky Park are in the news, starring in their own real-life disaster movie...
Dark Sky Park: Poems from the Edge of Nature was on the shortlist for the prestigious CLiPPA award for children’s poetry. Go to the Centre for Literacy in Primary Education's POETRYLINE https://clpe.org.uk/poetryline/clippa for videos of poems by all five shortlisted poets - Kwame Alexander, Stephen Camden, Eloise Greenfield, Rachel Rooney and myself.
Congratulations to Stephen Camden, announced as winner of CLiPPA 2019 at a ceremony at the National Theatre in Wednesday 3rd July, in front of 900 children from across the UK who took part in the CLiPPA shadowing scheme in their schools in the run up to the award.
Each book was represented by a performance from one of the schools, as well as the writer in person or (in the case of the US poets) on video. My poem Aleppo Cat was performed – no, better than that, embodied – by Imogen and Poppy from Whitehill Junior School, Hitchin, who really got inside the words and became them. What more could any poet ask? My thanks to them, and all the staff and classmates who supported them.
The CLPE's Power of Reading programme introduces young people to the kind of books that makes them ask questions and think. A whole lot of really good questions came from young friends in Poppy Class at Coppetts Wood school.
Here's a selection of them, and some of the answers, with thanks to everyone. There's nothing a writer likes better than to meet readers who really want to look beneath the surface of the words.
Who inspired you to write this book?
I didn’t know that it would be a book, but I was dong writing workshops with a school in Devon, near Exeter, and they called their festival of poetry ‘Extreme Imagination’. (Yes, a pun on ‘Exeter’…) We thought together about extreme places, sports, food… and environments. It started from there, with the children of a class about your age.
What made you use ‘Dark Sky Park’ as your title? Did you have different titles in your mind?
Choosing a title is a difficult decision. But sometimes one just comes to you, and you realise that the book has ‘found itself’. Seeing a really dark night sky, with all the stars in it, is such a rare experience these days, especially if you live in the city. It takes your breath away. It makes you think in a different way about where we are in all that space. In a few parts of the country, people are discovering places with no street lights, where you can see that, and the call them dark sky parks. (And yes, OK, I’m a poet: I like the way ‘dark’ rhymes with ‘park’.) The title turned up quite late on. I was trying out all kinds of title, all to do with ‘life on the edge’, but none of them quite clicked, if you see what I mean. The thought of the ‘edge’ does creep back in in the sub-title ‘poems from the edge of nature’.
Why did you theme the book ‘Dark Sky Park’ on nature?
Big question... I’m tempted to answer with a short, big answer: just because nature is. What I mean is: Seeing that we are a part of nature, just one species of humans among many other species on this earth, is an awesome thought. And everyone knows now that we have to be careful with the planet – to give the other living things on it more care and respect.
Why did you choose to compare Planet Earth to a ‘rodeo of stars’?
It’s a surprising line, isn’t it? It surprised me when I found myself writing it, but sometimes it just comes, and you trust it. Afterwards, I could see the reason why: thinking about the universe makes me realise that this planet is extremely small, and it’s whizzing around on a rather wobbly orbit; things change all the time, so we’ve had ice-ages and times of desert heat, as well as the annual seasons. Now, we humans are making the climate even more unstable. Like the cowboys (and cowgirls, these days) in Wild West rodeos trying to ride wild horses or bulls, we need to hold on tight!
How long did it take you to write your book ‘Dark Sky Park’?
It's hard to answer this. The first ideas came out of working in a school class maybe five years ago… then the ideas and the poems that came out of them went underground for a couple of years, waiting to bump into the next thing they needed. That next thing was working with the National Museum in Cardiff, meeting all that science. After that, I was working hard on it for maybe three months then, writing poems most days. But the thing about being a poet is you’re never doing only one thing. There’s other work, and life, and friends, and family.
Do you have any tips for someone who wants to become a poet?
Two tips, really... Get a private notebook, and write a lot – write and leave it in the notebook, then look back on it later, change it, add to it. Leave plenty of spaces round the edges where it can grow and go on growing. Watch it change. Oh, and read a lot, of all kinds, everywhere. Let your head fill up with what you read. (I think that’s more than two things, isn’t it?) Enjoy.
The Centre for Literacy in Primary Education's Power of Reading training programme has supported thousands of schools in raising engagement and attainment in reading and writing for all pupils. This website has teaching sequences for over 200 children's books for all year groups in the primary phase as well as more than 1000 practice examples. I'm delighted that Dark Sky Park is one of their recommended texts for 2018-19.
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Sometimes I can't tell if your poems are a joke or if they're serious. My Mum says they must be one thing or the other. Which are they meant to be?
Ah, there are different ways of being funny. I hope some of these poems make you smile... and at the same time make you think. Some of the jokes are about the most serious things, like whether human beings are going to learn to take care of the earth before it's too late. I don't like the kind of a joke that says "Just kidding, there's nothing to think about here" — or the kind that's laughing at somebody or some thing. I like the kind of humour that surprises us and helps us look at things in a new way.
One of my teachers tells me poetry has got to rhyme. Another one tells me nobody writes rhyming poetry these day? What should I do?
There are some great modern poets who always rhyme, and some who never do. What they all do is listen to the sound their words make, and try to make the sound fit what they are writing about. When you are writing poems, try them out by reading them out loud. See where they want to race along, and where they want to pause — where they want to make a sound like singing (they'll probably rhyme) and where they want to sound like talking (they'll probably not).
Have you seen all these creatures in your poems, or are you just making it up?
I'm not a deep sea diver, so I haven't seen the ones that live at the bottom of the ocean. I've talked to scientists from the museum who have. And most of us these days have seen some brilliant wildlife documentaries on the TV. There are some very ordinary things, too, in the poems — like the tiny flower called Ivy-Leafed Toadflax. I bet you've seen that on a pavement or a wall, but you might not have known that's what it was. And OK, I've made up a few things, in the poems that play an imagination game. I've always told the readers when I've done that, though.